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| Goien (Goku + Tien + Potara) vs Shin Buu (Gohan Absorbed); I made the name up on the spot, bare with me | |
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| SSJ Ranulf | Nov 14 2011, 11:53 PM Post #1 |
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Mindset: Determined to kill each other, but in character Buu chooses not to kick out Tien, but instead takes down Dende. Then, later, he absorbs Gohan. Goku, seeing he has no other option, tosses the Potara to Tien, and they fuse. Does the fusion have a chance in hell? Personally, I think Goien could possibly win with as an SSJ2 without much difficulty. (I have the gap between SSJ and SSJ2 greater than the gap between Tien and Vegeta). Many people feel that would be haxing Tien, and I understand why. However, I certainly think Goien wins as an SSJ3, and if you won't give me that, you must agree that SSJ3 Goien with Shin-Kikoho could at least make Buu's nose twitch. |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 15 2011, 12:00 AM Post #2 |
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Gohan-Boo: 7,505,500,000,000 Tenku: 3,731,250,000,000 - SSjin: 18,656,250,000,000 - SSjin 2: 37,312,500,000,000 (surpasses my SSjin Vegetto by a tiny bit) - SSjin 3: 149,250,000,000,000 So yeah, Tenku beats Gohan-Boo with SSjin. SSjin 2 and 3 are just overkill. BUT...that's with the boost I give Vegetto. If I were to eliminate the rival boost, it'd be something like this... Tenku: 149,250,000,000 - SSjin: 746,250,000,000 - SSjin 2: 1,492,500,000,000 - SSjin 3: 5,970,000,000,000 They'd have no chance even with SSjin 3, unless they did a Shin Kikoho. Edited by Pyrus, Nov 15 2011, 12:04 AM.
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Nov 15 2011, 12:03 AM Post #3 |
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I agree with the hax. The way Gohan reacts to Tenshinhan, the way Goku seemed disappointed with Tenshinhan being knocked out cold, how Gotenks-Buu made an example out of Tenshinhan and went as far as to call him 'quite the master' and how the Daizenshuu suggests that Tenshinhan had superior reflexes than 17 makes him somewhat powerful imo. OT: I think that they would need SSjin2 at the least or just a Shin Kikoho while in base/SSjin. IMO Tenshinhan continued powering up the Shin Kikoho as well as his strength so the Shin Kikoho should be extremely powerful by that time. After all he only realised he was of no use when Gotenks-Buu produced the huge planet buster. Edited by Cocoman, Nov 15 2011, 12:05 AM.
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| Kblo247 | Nov 15 2011, 12:48 AM Post #4 |
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How did Tien have better reflexes than 17? Yeah he didn't get hit (Chou either) with a blast because he can sense them unlike 17, but Buu can't sense 17 either to even blast him or know if he killed him. 17 could very well have bit the bullet when the planet blew up like Tien and Chou, since he wouldn't be able to find the battlefield to intervene anyhow As for the fusion itself, I think they might win. I just wonder if Goku could transform if fused with him since Tien doesn't have knowledge of how to become a SSJ. I definetly think they need more than SSJ, maybe SSJ2 because of Tien not understanding the power if they could. Edited by Kblo247, Nov 15 2011, 12:50 AM.
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Nov 15 2011, 01:09 AM Post #5 |
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Evil Buu's extermination attack didn't have any Ki sensing properties. He just taken a veee~ry good look. Anyway if the attack did have Ki sensing properties then Mr Satan would have been killed because Evil Buu couldn't differentiate between types of Ki (he had to literally smell Videl to tell that she was Satan's daughter and not to mention that it didn't kill all of them at the lookout.) Also the Dazienshuu said that everyone apart from Tenshinhan, Chaozu, Mr Satan and the dog died via the extermination attack. Edited by Cocoman, Nov 15 2011, 01:11 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Nov 15 2011, 01:21 AM Post #6 |
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Maybe Toriyama forgot about #17. I mean, #17 wasn't even going to be in it again until he forgot about Launch, or something like that. |
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Nov 15 2011, 02:15 AM Post #7 |
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I doubt it. He was 18's twin and he certainly didn't forget about her. I mean, wouldn't it have mentioned 17 surviving in the Daizenshuu considering it still mentions him donating genki to the Genki-dama? |
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| Mihawk | Nov 15 2011, 02:37 AM Post #8 |
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Tribeam isn't an accurate measure of Tien's strength. It doesn't use ki, it uses lifeforce. |
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Nov 15 2011, 02:39 AM Post #9 |
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Except, your wrong. Unless you think the Kaioken uses up lifeforce? |
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| Mihawk | Nov 15 2011, 02:43 AM Post #10 |
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Well I don't remember exactly what the manga says but I'm sure the anime said that it doesn't use ki but it uses lifeforce. But since you used the Diaz here you go:
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| + KingOfAllSaiyans | Nov 15 2011, 02:54 AM Post #11 |
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Im sorry, but as much as I love Tien, im not sure how you get this. |
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Nov 15 2011, 02:55 AM Post #12 |
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What's that quote from the Daiz meant to prove? Because all I see is it saying that it has Kiai properties. Anyway this is what it also says about the Kikoho;
In other words, it uses energy that they are already capable of. It's just that when it is used beyond the user's limits, it could be detrimental to their health. About the Shin Kikoho;
So it's a higher multiplier in other words and it's requirements include intense training so basically the Shin('New') Kikoho was just a powered up version. Think of it all like the Kaioken;
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| Mihawk | Nov 15 2011, 03:09 AM Post #13 |
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It basically said that it's not Ki. Kiai doesn't literally mean lifeforce, but when it's being used you use your lifeforce. Proof:
http://www.vegasshotokan.com/art_kiai.asp
I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Lol. All I see is that it relies on your internal energy and it can't be used in continuation.
No, all that it says is that you train to unlock it.Once you reach a certain point that attack becomes available. It doesn't say anything about a multiplier. It even might mean the Kihoho becomes useless and needs a more powerful version. Edited by Mihawk, Nov 15 2011, 03:10 AM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 15 2011, 03:27 AM Post #14 |
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I'd also like to add that I forgot I don't have time for long DBZ debates anymore. So you win
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Nov 15 2011, 03:29 AM Post #15 |
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Kinda shot yourself in the foot their bud lol. Anyway it's still under the category 'Ki manipulation' which seems to follow 'Energy concentration'. Anyway Piccolo's Full Power Shockwave was Kiai and so was; Shockwave from the hand [Piccolo Daimao], Energy Wave [Nappa], Daichi-Retsuzan [Freeza], Shockwave [Kaioshin], Energy Wave [No. 20], Kiai-Deflection [Tenshinhan], Kiai [Tenshinhan], Kiai Cannon [Son Goku]. It doesn't mean the Kikoho wasn't a display of his own energy.
Derp. 'Internal energy' ie energy which they are already capable of putting out (once again, comparable with the Kaioken).
The Shin Kikoho is literally just a 'New' Kikoho ie a powered up version in the same way that the Chou Kamehameha is just a more powerful version of the Kamehameha. It's never said that the Kamehameha is a multiplier yet we know it is and that Goku powered it up through training. |
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